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Messages - Michael Dobbs

#211
Colin

I cannot help much, other than to say that APO 803 is almost certainly a US APO address.  It is certainly not a British one.

A look on the web reveals a number of covers on eBay featuring APO 803 as the address for service personnel in Trinidad.

Mike  :)
#212
Members Discussion Forum / Re: EFM Telegram 1941
February 18, 2021, 12:44:14 PM
Neil

A very nice telegram - sent before the introduction of pre-determined phrases.
Thanks for sharing.

Mike  :)
#213
Members Discussion Forum / Re: 39 SQUADRON, WW2
February 18, 2021, 11:23:53 AM
Ross

I have had a quick check online and found:

RAF Museum website:
[url=https://www.nationalcoldwarexhibition.org/research/squadrons/39/]https://www.nationalcoldwarexhibition.org/research/squadrons/39/[/url]
shows:
In October 1945 the squadron moved to Sudan

Ministry of Defence RAF website:
[url=https://www.raf.mod.uk/our-organisation/squadrons/39-squadron/]https://www.raf.mod.uk/our-organisation/squadrons/39-squadron/[/url]
shows:
1946 - Disbanded at Khartoum, as a Mosquito operator, on 8 September

So your cover is just five days before the Squadron disbanded!

Mike  :)
#214
Members Discussion Forum / Re: 39 SQUADRON, WW2
February 18, 2021, 11:12:22 AM
Ross

Your cover is post-WW2 - it is dated 3 SP 46.  What gave it away for me was the return address with the postal indicator M.E.F. 4 - such indicators were introduced in April 1946 when five numbers were introduced for specific geographical areas outside the main Command locations in Egypt and Cyrenaica (MEF 1-5).  MEF was for Khartoum.  Yours is the first cover I have seen with a purely MEF number, the ones I have seen were later MELF or MEAF numbers. Thanks for showing it.

Mike  :)

#215
Members Discussion Forum / Re: EFM Telegram 1941
February 17, 2021, 10:22:20 PM
Peter

Thanks for this - a most interesting Christmas telegram.  I have three EFM telegrams that were sent from UK to Forces in the Middle East that went through the Marconi Cairo office and also received FPO cancels as well as the PTB 4 BAPO cancel (Private Telegram Bureau, 4 Base Army Post Office) in February, March and May 1943 - but they only used one telegram form as opposed to your two!

As regards the message on yours - it was a phrase B (special Christmas and New Year greetings were introduced in 1942) and you can see the B at the bottom of your second page:

In 1942 the General Post Office introduced a restricted EFM service over the Christmas period.  This was because the previous year the volume of EFM traffic over the Christmas season exceeded the capacity of the available channels and resulted in delays.  It was announced in the Post Office Circular of 2 December 1942 that for the period 7-27 December 1942 (inclusive) the stipulation of a maximum of three phrases from the T 217G list was suspended.  Instead senders were allowed to choose one only from a special list of seasonal greetings as follows:

A - A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.  All well.
B - Love and best wishes for Christmas and the New Year.  All well.
C - Love and best wishes for Christmas and the New Year to all at home.  All well.
D - Love and best wishes for Christmas and the New Year from all at home.  All well.
E - Love and best wishes for a Happy New Year.  All well.
F - Every good wish for the New Year.

The text was, therefore, to consist of one letter only (of A to F) instead of the maximum of three numbers as hitherto.  The above arrangement applied to all standard text telegram services, including EFM telegrams to the USA handed in by personnel of the US Forces. 

A very nice telegram - thanks for sharing.

Mike  :)
#216
Members Discussion Forum / Re: EFM Telegram 1941
February 17, 2021, 06:51:55 PM
Jim

You have amazed me even further with the additional forms you have shown below!  They are very attractive items.  The amount of telegams which appear on the market appears to be indicative of their low use, whatever the type of telegram used.

With reference to your EFM telegram form - the additional label concerning suspension over the Christmas period could be either 1943 or 1944:

The Post Office Circular of 19 November 1943 notified that the period of suspension for the acceptance of EFM telegrams in the UK would be from 6 to 25 December 1943 inclusive.  The only exception to this was EFM telegrams for destinations in the USA.  These could be accepted throughout the suspension period from the US Forces after local unit censorship and in accordance with existing arrangements.

The Post Office Circular of 18 October 1944 announced that the Post Office had issued a telegram (under list C circulation arrangements) on 14 October 1944 which stated:

"PRESS NOTICE WILL APPEAR TOMORROW THAT EFM SERVICE WILL BE SUSPENDED 6 TO 25 DECEMBER INCLUSIVE.  CHRISTMAS GREETINGS AIRGRAPH FORM WILL BE AVAILABLE.  DETAILS LATER. DESIRABLE ADVISE ALL OFFICES."

The further details were given in the Post Office Circular of 29 November 1944 which notified that the period of suspension for the acceptance of EFM telegrams to and from the UK would be from 6 to 25 December 1944 inclusive.  Local stocks of the special EFM A form (A 10) and standard phrase list (T 217G) were to be kept away from Post Office counters during this period.

Mike  :)
#217
I have received the following from John Enfield, Editor of the British Postmark Society Journal:

[color=maroon]I have recently found amongst miscellaneous postmarks sent to me by a correspondent in York the attached circular rubber stamp of 'RAF Post Office / * Medmenham Marlow Bucks*'.  I see this type of undated mark is referred to in Collect British Postmarks, Chapter 16 (p.327 in the 9th edition), as being for internal use, but here it has been used as a canceller on external mail. It can be dated to 1970-71, between the issue of the large 20p stamp and decimal day.  Do you know anyone who might be interested in it? Free to a good home.[/color]

I checked "Postal Markings of the RAF, RFC and RNAS Stations in the United Kingdom 1918-1968" by Bill Garrard, published by the FPHS 1990 and it is not listed under RAF Medmenham.  There is a similar undated mark listed for 1956-59 but without the stars. 

There is a similar undated one with stars listed for RAF Syerston, Newark in 1959 and another for RAF Sutton-on-Hull, Yorkshire but with no recorded dates.

If anyone would like it please notify me.

Thanks, Mike
#218
Members Discussion Forum / Re: EFM Telegram 1941
February 16, 2021, 10:44:10 PM
Jim

Many thanks for your response and for the attachments.  It is a pity that your Canadian EFM is undated - it is the first "original" EFM telegram form I have seen.  The ones I have are all from the receiving end, where the numbers had been replaced by the standard phrases.

Whilst Canada was left out of the initial EFM telegraph service the Post Office Circular of 31 July 1940 announced that the EFM facilities had been extended to include Canada.

As regards the post-war years:

The Post Office Circular of 17 January 1951 stated that the EFM telegraph service would be re-introduced in stages between the UK and HM Forces (including certain civilians who were entitled to use a military address) in Japan (British Army Post Office 5) and Korea (British Army Post Office 3 and 4) in [b]1951[/b].  The first stage of its re-introduction (said to have been "imminent") involved the introduction of an EFM service from Korea and Japan to the UK. 
A further Circular stated that the EFM service from Japan and Korea to the UK was available and that the service from the UK to Japan and Korea would begin on [b]29 January 1951[/b].  the EFM telegraph service to HM Forces serving in Japan and to civilians serving with those forces was to be withdrawn after [b]31 December 1953[/b].

With effect from [b]Monday 28 May 1951[/b] the EFM telegraph service was to be made available to and from members of the Royal Navy (RN) serving in seagoing ships on the Far East station, as well as members of the Royal Marines and Royal Navy shore establishments serving in Korea and Japan. 

As from [b]18 May 1953[/b] the EFM telegraph service had been extended to HM Forces serving in Malaya and Singapore and to any civilians serving with these Forces who were authorised to use a service address (either ℅ GPO Singapore or ℅ GPO [place name] Malaya). 

As from [b]1 February 1954[/b] the EFM telegraph service was to be extended to HM Forces serving in Kenya and to any civilians serving with these Forces who were authorised to use a service address (either BFPO 10 or ℅ GPO Nairobi). 

As from [b]2 May 1956[/b] the EFM telegraph service was extended to HM Forces serving in Cyprus and to any civilians serving with these Forces who were authorised to use a service address (either BFPO 53 or BFPO 60).

EFM services to HM Forces in Cyprus, Singapore and Malaya were to be withdrawn as from [b]1 May 1961[/b]. 

In [b]1958[/b] the EFM telegraph service had been extended to HM Forces serving in Jordan and to any civilians serving with these Forces who were authorised to use a service address (BFPO 73).  There were other subsequent extensions to Bahrain, Southern Cameroons and Kuwait.

Later in the same year it was announced that the EFM telegraph service had been extended to HM Forces serving in Bahrain and to any civilians serving with these Forces who were authorised to use a service address (BFPO 63). 

The Post Office Gazette of 18 March 1981 contained a Supplement on revised telegram tariffs effective from [b]1 April 1981[/b] which stated that the EFM service had been withdrawn as from the same date.

With reference to your undated Telegraph Service leaflet, the only reference to PG219(2) I have so far found is in the Post Office Circular of 28 July 1954 which advised that leaflet PG219(2) was to be withdrawn on 1 August 1954 and that a revised leaflet - PG219(3) - would be issued later. 

Mike  :)
#219
Members Discussion Forum / EFM Telegram 1941
February 14, 2021, 11:25:35 PM
Very little has been written about Forces telegrams.  We have seen very few telegrams on the Forum, the most recent from Chris Grimshaw ("Expeditionary Force Telegram").

I don't claim to be an expert on telegraph services but (prior to lockdown) I have been researching the Post Office Circulars from 1939 onwards at The Postal Museum archive and recording the various entries which related to telegrams to the Forces.  The following is a brief summary of the EFM telegraph service as contained in those Circulars.  My complete text for just EFM telegrams 1939 to 1981 runs to 48 pages, plus various appendices.

What are 'EFM' telegrams?  [b]Expeditionary Force Message[/b] (EFM) telegrams were for messages of a personal character only.  The Post Office introduced a telegraph service to members of HM Army and Royal Air Force (RAF) in France (known as the British Expeditionary Force (BEF)) and elsewhere overseas (except Canada) on [b]Friday 9 February 1940[/b].  It was for messages of a personal character only, although the Post Office instructed that messages which were not manifestly personal in nature were not to be refused.  Instead the sender was to be warned that they might be stopped by the censor or forwarded abroad by post.

Telegrams were to be accepted at the risk of the sender and the instructions stipulated that no enquiry could be made as to the disposal of a telegram.  The message had to be written on telegram form A 16 or on the appropriate phonogram form with the sender's name and address written in the space provided.  The indication [b]=EFM=[/b] had to be written in bold characters before the address and this had to be signalled forward by the telegraph service.  The text of such telegrams had to be in plain English, no code words were allowed, and all telegrams were subject to censorship.  The surname of the sender had to appear at the end of the text, but any other names could be added if desired.  Telegrams to Forces abroad could not be accepted as urgent, deferred or letter telegrams; and no accessory services such as prepaid reply (RP), delivery on ornamental form (LX), etc, were allowed

The cost of sending telegrams to Forces abroad was based on two rates: to the BEF and to all other destinations abroad.  No charge was made for the address or for the indication =EFM=.  Rates were as follows:

- telegrams to the BEF in France: 2½d a word for the text and signature, with a minimum charge of 1s 3d for six words;

- telegrams to Forces at other destinations: 5d a word for the text and signature with a minimum charge of 2s 6d for six words.

Senders of EFM telegrams were, in the main, free to word these messages as they liked, subject only to certain general conditions concerning the nature of the text and language used.  However, with effect from [b]16 June 1941[/b] senders of EFM telegrams to all countries to which the service was available, with the exception of India, had to compose their messages from a series of pre-determined standard phrases.  For this they were charged a fixed fee of 2s 6d.  Senders of EFM telegrams to India continued to send such telegrams in words of their own choice at a rate of 2s 6d for six words of text and signature and 5d for each additional word. 

Effective from [b]1 May 1943[/b] the use of standard text was extended to India (including INDIA COMMAND), which hitherto had allowed EFM telegrams to be sent in words of the senders choice.  So that from that date senders of EFM telegrams could no longer use texts of their own composition but had to choose standard phrases from the approved list

The Post Office Circular of 19 July 1944 notified that there was no Ordinary or EFM telegraph service from the United Kingdom to BRITISH LIBERATION ARMY (or BLA).  However, the Concession (CSN) service was available and telegrams could be accepted in the normal course.

With the return to normal conditions for world-wide communications, the use of the EFM telegram service was no longer considered necessary and the service was terminated on [b]31 December 1948[/b]. 

The EFM telegram illustrated is from 1941 and was sent to Catford in SE London.  The location of the originator is not known.  It is an EFM telegram sent to the UK using Cable & Wireless Limited and received at their Central Telegraph Station (Tower Chambers, Moorgate, London EC2) where it received a C. & W. Ltd datestamp dated 25 MAR 41.  Also has TELEGRAPH CENSORSHIP PASSED BY CENSOR No 48 cachet applied.  Addressed to Catford, London SE6 where it received a CATFORD B.O. / S.E.6 datestamp of 26 MR 41 and delivered in a No 198 Post Office Telegram envelope.

Enjoy, Mike  :)
#220
Members Discussion Forum / Base Post Office 1918 MEF
February 13, 2021, 02:22:11 PM
I have received the following enquiry:

[color=maroon]I have recently acquired the attached item but on investigation I am unsure of its origin. If you, or one of your members is able to throw any light on it I would be extremely grateful.
1. The censor mark appears to read Passed/ D (?)/?
2. The unit mark reads Base Post Office/ 3rd DESP/18 DEC18/MEF (there may be a letter after Base Post Office but it is too indistinct to read).
3. MEF at this time appears to relate to Mesopotamian Expeditionary Force (rather than Mediterranean Expeditionary Force)
4. It is addressed to Canada and I can locate one Canadian soldier which appears to fit but no record of him being in Mesopotamia.

If you, or one of your colleagues could throw any light on these two handstamps I would be extremely grateful. [/color]

Can anyone help please.

Thanks, Mike  :)
#221
Members Discussion Forum / Post-WW2 Germany
February 11, 2021, 11:42:59 PM
And now for something completely different to WW1 - a couple of covers from the early post-war years in Germany in  1951!  ;D

Both are postmarked FIELD POST OFFICE 791 located at Herford (BAOR 15).
The first cover is postmarked on 28 JA 51 and addressed to London.  It was from [b]802 Field Office[/b] of the [b]International Refugee Organisation[/b] (IRO) located at Bad Salzuflen (BAOR 15).  I also show the cachet on the reverse.

The second cover is postmarked A / 5 MR 51 and is also addressed to London, to a Polish person.  It has the cachet of the [b]Relief Society for Poles[/b] which was located at Oerlinghausen (BAOR 15).

Enjoy!

Mike  :)
#222
Michael

MELF/MEAF numbers were addresses in the main, some numbers after 25 were for formations or in one case MELF 30 was for the East Africa Pioneer Corps in the Middle East - see my article in Journal No 211 (Spring 1992).  The details I have on MELF 30 are as follows:

[b]MELF 30[/b] East African Pioneer Corps in the opened 1952 closed 1956
                                                Middle East
[u]Notes[/u]:

(i) John Smith in "Stamp Collecting" for 23rd October 1953 shows the following localities covered: "Not known"

(ii) Post Office Circular of 13 February 1952 [inserted]
[as an amendment to July 1951 Edition, Post Office Guide]
[acceptance of telegrams]
[Ordinary telegram rate identical to civil rate for Lower Egypt]

Post Office Circular of 23 July 1952 [inserted]
[as an amendment to Counter Compendium Postal Supplement No 6]
[air parcel rate 2/9d per ½ lb]

(iii) As at 1 January 1953 the above address applied to 211, 321 and 322 Groups, Royal Pioneer Corps (RPC) (East African Pioneer Corps).
[The National Archives document WO276/51 (GHQ East Africa ORBAT)]

(iv) Listed in July 1954 Edition, Post Office Guide (air parcel rate 2/9d per ½ lb)
Listed in July 1955 Edition, Post Office Guide (air parcel rate 2/9d per ½ lb)

(v) Post Office Circular of 21 March 1956 [withdrawn]
[and as an amendment to July 1955 Edition, Post Office Guide]
[acceptance of telegrams]

Mike  :)
#223
Peter

I would suggest that the Ministry of Aircraft Production datestamp is purely that - an office datestamp which has been applied to signify date of receipt.  As you may have noticed the US meter franking mark does not include a date, so we don't know when it was posted.  I don't know what the pencilled note is inside the datestamp - DOS or DDS something.

I have no idea what the other marking is, unless it has something to do with the contents of the letter.

I do not believe that either of these markings represents censor marks or are indicative of the mail being censored.

Mike  :)
#224
Chris

[size=24pt]November = Νοέμβριος[/size]

The date looks like NOE

The following are the months of January to December in Greek and you will see that the only one which begins with an N in Greek is November, so it must be so!
[size=14pt]Ιανουάριος
Φεβρουάριος
Μάρτιος
Απρίλιος
Μάιος
Ιούνιος
Ιούλιος
Αύγουστος
Σεπτέμβριος
Οκτώβριος
Νοέμβριος
Δεκέμβριος[/size]

Mike  :)
#225
Members Discussion Forum / Re: Released by Base Censor 20
February 04, 2021, 01:13:43 PM
Aaah - thanks Nick, I should have looked there before I responded, silly me!
Alan certainly needs to get a copy of Daynes (edited by Colley) 2nd Edition!

I agree that if it is listed there then it is almost certainly British - I wonder if it has been reported in one of our early Newsletters (now Journal) ?

Mike  :)