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General Category => Members Discussion Forum => Topic started by: John Cranmer on July 31, 2020, 07:06:34 PM

Title: Is this a New Zealand Censor cachet ?
Post by: John Cranmer on July 31, 2020, 07:06:34 PM
I collect Canada and at the moment WW2.  I have this letter from Canada to New Zealand with a triangular censor marking which I presume is from New Zealand but I have not been able to find any info about it on the web.

Any info about this will be most welcome especially any web references.

AQ
Title: Re: Is this a New Zealand Censor cachet ?
Post by: Nick Colley on July 31, 2020, 10:23:34 PM
Hi, John, welcome to the Forum. That triangular mark is quite often seen on mail which travels via the Far East. It's not my speciality, civil censorship, so I can't be sure whether it was used in Hong Kong of Singapore. Hopefully another reader of the Forum can be more useful.

chrs
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Title: Re: Is this a New Zealand Censor cachet ?
Post by: Ross Debenham on August 01, 2020, 04:41:12 AM
Welcome to the forum, John. According to "British Empire Civil Censorship Devices World War II - British Asia" by Konrad Morenweiser, this censor marker is one of a series of Type 6E2 censor markers used in Penang, Malaya between 27 February, 1941 and 6 December, 1941.
Title: Re: Is this a New Zealand Censor cachet ?
Post by: John Cranmer on August 02, 2020, 05:58:26 AM
Thank you for that I will ask Konrad for his comments.

AQ
Title: Re: Is this a New Zealand Censor cachet ?
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on August 02, 2020, 02:22:25 PM
Hi John

Welcome to the Forum

Outside my area but interesting material nevertheless.

Chris
Title: Re: Is this a New Zealand Censor cachet ?
Post by: Nick Colley on August 02, 2020, 02:53:18 PM
Ah, Penang, was it? Ha! I was in error with both locations then :-) Sorry.
Title: Re: Is this a New Zealand Censor cachet ?
Post by: John Cranmer on August 02, 2020, 04:35:38 PM
Once again thanks for the info. 

I do have a followup question which is what would have been the routing to get to Penang.  I have found some info re air mail routes but this is a surface mail cover and Penang seems a bit out of the way.  Were there established surface mail routes as there were air mail ones ?.

I am looking forward to the on line meeting on Saturday as I would not have got to a meeting in person as it would have been too far from Yorkshire but Zoom makes it easy and I have a cover to show as well.

Stay safe

John
Title: Re: Is this a New Zealand Censor cachet ?
Post by: Alexander Green on August 03, 2020, 05:03:45 AM
Not doubting Morenweiser, but a Penang marking sounds unusual.

Malcolm H Wade writing in The Malayan Philatelist, Vol 22, No 2 , March-April 1981, p.22 "Civilian Censorship of mail in Malaya, 1939-42" suggests this is a Singapore marking, which would make more sense. 
Title: Re: Is this a New Zealand Censor cachet ?
Post by: John Cranmer on August 03, 2020, 09:03:48 PM
Alex

I think that Singapore censor is an exact match to the example I have and I will work with that,  The censor number and date also agree with the listing you posted.  It is a shame that there are no other dates on the cover to show when it passe through Singapore.  I assume it was mid October.

Thank you very much for your help

John,
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