About twelve days ago we had a query on a Naval Mark, this was quickly sorted out by Tony Walker as HMS Warspite

The attached printed envelope addressed to Brighton, is most unusual
It has a machine postmark (possibly London) which has missed the stamp. dated early in the war on NOV 3 14, about this time the fancy ships cancels started appearing, mostly mute crosses, made I think from potato cuts
A KGV halfpenny stamp has been missed, the fact this rate on an envelope suggests it is a printed paper rate, when they had to leave the envelope open for inspection at the post office, the flap has not been stuck down
BUT WHY WOULD A POSTMAN CANCEL THE MISSED STAMP WITH WHAT LOOKS LIKE A BROOCH, IT IS NOT ROUGH CUT
Any observations or comments welcome

Frank Schofield

Mike

Suggest the gentleman tries to get hold of a copy of Proud's book History of the New Zealand Military Postal Service 1845 - 1991  Not much on Palestine

Or ask Lorraine

Frank

Lieut Robert C.M. Douthwaite of the 8th York & Lancaster Regiment, died on 19th June 1919, cause not stated, possibly flu?. Attached are two photographs of his funeral on 21st June 1919. The 8th York & Lancaster Regt were sent to Fiume, Yugoslavia, because the Italian forces were unable to control the locals. The situation was quickly sorted after their arrival.

Frank Schofield

Thanks Alan

I stayed out of it because Tony had given the answer

I have 17 items with this mark in my Warspite collection

I attach an example which shows one of the other three WWI censor marks known used on Warspite
My question is, why would a letter from a senior officer (Fleet Surgeon) be censored twice

Frank

In the 1st Edition his WW1 book, Proud illustrates an APO P.P.1. type C (type D3 in 2nd Ed) he states that this type C was only used later on the Western Front 1918-19
Attached is a obviously philatelic cover showing the datestamp was used earlier in Italy
In his 2nd Ed Proud changed his reference numbers i.e. types A B C became D1 D2 D3, which means I would have to rewrite 95% of my collection, now I only use the new system on previously unlisted datestamps

Frank Schofield

When the 5 British Divisions arrived in Italy in November 1917, a General Headquarters was set up in,
Pavia (for 24 hours) then Mantua (4 days) then Padua (16 days). A temporary datestamp was issued but no identity slugs were available, the blank datestamp was used possibly for less than 4 weeks.
Because in was blank it tended to be ignored by collectors and dealers, but if on an Italian postcard dated November/ Early December 1917, there is a good chance it is from GHQ. A temporary GQ datestamp came into use on 9th December 1917.

Frank Schofield

Chris

No others written up at this time

Can only think APO S.70 (Fianza rest camp) and APO S.101 (later APO L.1) the main base, may have the printed labels

Frank

Chris

A couple from APO S.100 at Taranto for you

Frank

A follow up to Chris Grimshaw's excellent article in the current FPHS Journal on the British Adriatic Mission, he shows two postcards from a Sgt. E. Peverett of the Royal Engineers, Members may like to know how Sgt Peverett returned or remained in Italy for the rest of the war. There is a sad ending to the story.

Frank Schofield

Nick

Thanks, it came back to normal last night

Frank

Chris

When I first saw my post, thought I had messed it up, so completely deleted it and retried but the same came out again
Agree with you, don't like it
Just noticed my attachment has disappeared from my original post

Frank

Mike

Cannot understand how the attachment has appeared in the main post
Has the system been changed??

Frank

At the beginning of WW1 Italy  remained  neutral, but under pressure from Britain & France. They declared  war on Austria on 23rd May 1915. A British Military Mission was set up in Rome under the command of Colonel (acting Brigadier) C. Delme Radcliffe.
The only item from this mission I have come across in over 30 years is attached. On a cover addressed to Sussex postmarked 3rd August 1915, identified in the form a backstamp in Italian postage of 25c had to be paid

Frank Schofield

In his recent post on a RNAS officer by Tony Walker, the name of HMS Natal is mentioned regarding her loss
I have three items from the ship, two are postcards from a Leading Stoker Walter Young, one to  his sister the other to his mother.
The third a cover addressed to Rye, Sussex, censored by the ships chaplain, who also lost his life when HMS Natal blew up in Cromarty Firth in December 1915.

Frank Schofield

Alan

It is (CM8) No 382, I record 50 items from APO S.100, with this censor mark

Frank